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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 22, 2009 7:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why does everyone hate Brent?

Harrump....order, smorder.

Hey, notice the interesting emergence of those 80s fans here? I guess I could have told you who was in the group, but it's great to see them all speak up, eh? And, it does explain how sometimes the early era crankers, like me, do smother this place in the early era to their chagrin, methinks? No wonder peeps are sometimes a bit PO'd over the posting patterns hereabouts.

What I also noticed is that even among those that like the 80s there is variation; take some that mention 81 as a great year, and then you and SDH mention that was the time that you thought wasn't as good...point being, we early era types do the same thing, and we can go back and forth about this yr or that, but we actually don't see much posted here from folks about these subtle diff's in the 80s, much less the 90s.

Interesting.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Dec 22, 2009 8:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why does everyone hate Brent?

"we actually don't see much posted here from folks about these subtle diff's in the 80s, much less the 90s."

Well you early people still have some splainin' to do about the loss of The Eleven from the rotation. That created a huge hole that was eventually filled by I Will Take You Home. So it's really the fault of the older heads.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Dec 22, 2009 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why does everyone hate Brent?

I like early era and even I can't deal with your smothering 6-14-68 St. Stephen talk!!!

All kidding aside, i think i mentioned to you one time that it is easier to explain that when one considers '65-71 since the sound was changing so much from year to year or even within a year (e.g. Winter>Fall '68) that it is not surprising that people might like one sound better than the other. Not sure that was as much the case for the '80s. It was the only decade without line up changes right? So maybe some could break it down to pre-coma and post-coma but I am not sure that was as much a sound change as a consistency change.

As for '81, I understand why people like that year. Actually I think the band was playing really well as Brent was well integrated and Jerry was playing well and doing so in a consistent fashion. So its not a matter of bad playing, I am just not that found of Brent's early sound. I also didn't like Bob screwing with Truckin' (the whistle in the beginning and the sex change line) but that's another story. I believe our buddy Cliff attended the show at Barton that year (5-16-81) and even he would tell you that it was a really good show. And while I am throwing your idols under the bus, Arbuthnot is also quite fond of May '81.

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Poster: jessandra Date: Dec 23, 2009 4:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why does everyone hate Brent?

Dearest WT,

I'd just like to point out that because some of us saw 80s shows doesn't mean we are 80s fans. I would have loved to have been born 15 years earlier just to have been able to see them in the late 60s and 70s but, alas, maybe I should just be thankful to have been able to see them at all. Gosh - I'd almost be 60 now :-( !!!

Part of my inspiration of continuing to go to shows through the mid to late 80s was always wishing and hoping that the boys would pull out something really special from the past. Never really happened except for a few mediocre exceptions. I never saw them after 1990 so I can't add any input there.

As for changes during the 80s. Well Jerry sure changed his sound in the late 80s. He had new toys, pedals and buttons and his guitar was suddenly a synthesizer or horn etc. I thought that sounded really cool at the beginning but I quickly became rather bored with it and returned to preferring his normal guitar sound and solos.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 23, 2009 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Why does everyone hate Brent?

Oh yeah, I was referring more to the regulars here that are fans of latter periods, but til threads like this one, they don't post as much on "their" time period...EG, most everyone here, cept Dan Healy I suppose, has read about me and 12-29 and 6-14 and 10-12 from 1968, or 9-19-70, so many times that they throw them into posts exchanges with me without having to think about it whatsoever (note elb's ref below)...and, to give them credit, they are perhaps more diverse in liking shows from all time periods, and might chime in on an 88 show as often as a 68 one.

Really it was just my observation that if someone did an analysis of all posts, I'd be happy since it really does seem to be biased toward the early era...not that I am saying this statistical support suggests I have always been right, but you get the idea; whether I am or not, I can understand why they might be a bit irritable now and again.